Muscle Gain Forum

Also depends where you started. If you had higher body fat, changes take longer to notice visually. If you were skinny, you might just need more overall mass. Either way, it’s a slow game.

Look for one with good citrulline. That’s what really helps with pump on non-stim pre’s.

Also pay attention to pain vs soreness. Slight discomfort is normal coming back, sharp pain is your sign to back off. Play the long game, bro.

I think a lot of guys expect it to feel like a test booster. It’s not that. It’s more subtle cortisol management type vibe. When stress drops, recovery improves. That’s where the “strength gains” probably come from.

I think collagen works better if you’re already eating enough protein. Added it mostly for joints, not gains.

If it really bothers you, try switching to Creapure or a micronized version. Mixes smoother and tends to cause fewer stomach issues.